Robin Black
03.13.2010

The Subject Is Subjectivity

First a disclaimer:

I’m not a big fan of writing advice – of a certain type.  In fact, when I’m in that kind of pissy irritated mood that leads one to go out of one’s way to seek reasons to become more irritated, I’ll often skip around the internet from one blog to another that purports to tell writers what they MUST do and then rail – usually to myself – against the idea that there are people out there who are saying there’s ANYTHING that every writer must do.  They must write every day; I don’t.  They must use outlines; I don’t.  They must show their work to trusted readers for critiquing; I only sometimes do.  They must try to write while in a semi-conscious dreamlike state.  What?  Huh?

Really?

Of course, this puts me in an awkward position when I actually want to give writing advice.  So, the disclaimer I’m attaching here and always intend whether it’s stated or not, is that anything I say about what’s helped me along the way or for that matter torpedoed me, is said in the spirit of sharing experience and not at all as some kind of declaration of what I think all writers MUST do.

Except of course on the subject of subjectivity.

(Just kidding. . .)

(Sort of. . .)

I had been writing off and on for decades, been through endless (some feeling literally endless) workshopping experiences and had an MFA from Warren Wilson before I realized that taste in literature is subjective.  I mean, I knew it in some way – but not in any particularly helpful way.  The realization came (Short Story Writer Has Epiphany!)  at the second meeting of the first writing course I ever taught.  I was in the middle of a discussion of the Grace Paley story “Conversations With My Father,” a story I love, a story it never occurred to me anyone else wouldn’t love (a story that in my heart of hearts I believe everyone should love) and it became clear to me that not everyone in that room loved it.

“How many of you like this story?” I asked, and about two-thirds of the hands went up.

“Huh.  So, how many of you like Faulkner?”  About one third.

“How about Virginia Woolf?”  Just about half.

“Well,” I said, “I just hope you all remember this when your work is being workshopped.  If half the folks in here think you’re on the right track, you’re right with Virginia Woolf and you’re ahead of William Faulkner.”

Seem obvious?  It wasn’t to me.

A few months after that, an editor with whom I had previously worked rejected a story of mine in no uncertain terms.  She was kind about it, but there was none of that “oh, this was close” stuff.  It was an unambiguous no, and I felt pretty devastated.  I went through one of those I shouldn’t try to be a writer patches. Then, a week later, another editor called me up whispering in shaky, anxious tones that he had just read the same story and was hoping, hoping that it was still available for publication.

“Why yes, I believe it is.”

I felt a certain sense of vindication, mingled with relief, but what I eventually realized, what I think it’s so important to understand, is that neither of them was right.  Because there is no such thing as right.  The illusion of objectivity in responses to art is just that.  For better and worse, when you decide to write, you hurl yourself and your cherished work product into a world that is ruled by individual taste.  The only way in which either editor was right, is that both were right.  The story was wrong for the first journal and a good fit for the second – but not for any reason beyond their subjective responses to the piece.

Writing is not a fixed currency.

Am I saying there’s no such thing as bad writing or good writing?  I guess what I’m saying is that long, long before the question of inherent quality can be addressed, the dominance of subjective response has so trampled it that it’s barely worth asking.  And  it’s a question I particularly dislike because in the asking lies the implication that some of us are more entitled to write than others of us, because some of us are “good” and others of us are “bad.”  I would far rather err in the direction of inclusion than risk endorsing that conceit.

One more story.  In 2007 an essay of mine appeared in the book  The Best Creative Nonfiction, Volume I. The anthology is published by Norton, the selection made by the editors of Creative Nonfiction Magazine. I was thrilled to have the piece included, chosen from thousands I was told – and I was also amused, because a couple of years before Creative Nonfiction Magazine had rejected the same piece.  A sad little D-list xeroxed rejection slip.  And again, that isn’t a matter of self-correction on their part.  It’s almost certainly a question of whose desk it crossed the first time, and whose desk it crossed the second time.  No one right; and no one wrong.

So why is it so difficult for so many of us to remember as we get rejections that each one is just the subjective response of an individual reader and not a judgment from on high either about the worth of that piece or about our right to write?  I suppose that a certain desire for universal approval is natural to us all.  And I don’t think it’s surprising that writers, many of whom suspect they have no business writing, hear rejection as a confirmation of their worst fears and so take it to heart.

I also think that writing workshops carry in them the danger of training us all to seek consensus.  Not every workshop falls into this trap, but many end up defining themselves in terms of “liking” or “not liking” the piece.  We all say that we’re there to get advice, but in my experience, when I ask a writer how a workshop went, she’ll almost always answer either “Great! They loved it”  or “Awful,they didn’t like it at all” and only very occasionally something along the lines of “It went well, I got some really good advice.”

Problematic too is that there just seems to be something in the dynamics of a group that pulls in the direction of agreement – and agreement argues against subjectivity.  Workshops very often seem to want to give clear advice, which in a room of a dozen people is pretty much guaranteed to promote the notion that there is some objectivity to all of this.   In truth, there are almost certainly people among the group who don’t connect to the work on the table and may well not have anything useful to say.  If I had asked the editor who rejected my story how to make it better, I can’t imagine what she could have told me.  She so disliked the premise of the thing.  Really, she could only have said what she did which was “I’d like to see something different.”  While the editors at the journal that accepted it could and did help me make improvements, because they were already on board with the essential conceit and most of the execution.  Workshops rarely make those distinctions, rarely acknowledge the role of subjective response, rarely suggest that people who thoroughly dislike a piece might want to leave some extra room for those who feel connected to it and may know best how to help.

I write this, of course, just about two weeks out from the release of my first book.

I’ve spent the last eighteen months in a bubble in which reside my editors (who love my book), my agent (who loves my book), my publicist (who loves my book), my husband (who loves my book) and so on. . . and so, as the bubble bursts, have had to remember this stuff all over again, while reviewers (who may not love my book) and readers who don’t know me from a hole in the wall (and may not love my book) have their chance to speak.  I very much doubt that I’ll manage to remember at all times that the goal here isn’t unanimous acclaim.   Criticism stings even when it doesn’t make you feel wholly invalidated.  But some years ago, in some important way, I understood and accepted that not everyone would admire my work, and realized too that I couldn’t and shouldn’t write toward that end; and, even with momentary lapses, that acceptance has helped me along.

So my advice to you. . . well, you know.

Fifty percent gets you to Virginia Woolf.

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23 Responses to “The Subject Is Subjectivity”

  1. Cal Martin says:

    You mean there is no “right” and “wrong”?! I suppose the next thing you’ll say is that getting on the elevator before allowing exiting riders to get off is just another way of doing it?

  2. Diane Martin says:

    Robin, I’m so glad you said this! It’s so important to remember. I think it may be even more true with poetry than with prose.

    The gatekeepers have so much authority, and yet, in the long run, they are only their opinions.

  3. Yes, so true! Especially about Faulkner and Woolf. There are opera lovers who love Mozart and despise Puccini and vice versa. Well, I guess there’s a difference, hehe: the Mozart lovers “know” they’re right, while the Puccini lovers love La Boheme so much that they don’t care who’s right.

  4. admin says:

    Thanks folks for the comments! Diane, one of the things I always tell students is not to give away so much power when submitting – itself a problematic word. It’s not a matter of asking an editor whether or not you should be a writer, it’s a matter of asking whether a particular piece suits their particular needs at the time. But it’s awfully hard not to experience those negative responses as The Truth.

  5. Great blog post, it is worth bringing this subject up again and again and again. What I try and tell people when I do a workshop is that it’s not a democracy – the entire workshop may be wrong about their story, and they should feel free to entirely disregard all comments! Not that many people listen to me when I say this.

    And… as someone who now finds herself on the “other side” as the editor of a literary journal having to reject people’s stories, I am watching my own process of reading submissions and seeing how incredibly, incredibly subjective it is. It happens in the first few lines – I either get that stomach-dropping feeling of WOW or I don’t. And there are stories that I keep reading that I think, Well, this is probably something someone else would love. But I am only doing this for one issue and I want to pick the ones that ALL give me that stomach-shuddering jolt. And that isn’t something that I can even describe, or give rules for in order to wow ME. It’s just my instinct.

    Will this make it easier for me to accept rejections that I get? Ha!

  6. Catherine Brown says:

    This is great advice, Robin, something we all know but still need to think about, and tweak from time to time, as the process wears us down.

  7. Jeneva says:

    Well, this makes me feel better today–after spending endless amounts of time preparing poetry submissions and whining the entire time.

  8. Marisa Birns says:

    As someone who is just now beginning/hoping to send out short story submissions I thank you for this.

    Even though I do understand how subjective it all is, after all I also am a reader and there are stories I love, and ones I don’t, it will still sting when rejection comes.

    But, it won’t incapacitate. :)

    I loved Faulkner AND Virginia Woolf!

  9. Kathy Crowley (@OnLocustStreet) says:

    Liked this very much and I think it’s TRUE. Looking forward to reading your short story collection.

  10. Lisa says:

    Robin, thank you for this. I really needed to hear it – I’m not sending stuff out now, but in the last month have had poems requested – then rejected – twice. Onward.

  11. robin says:

    Thank you all so much for your comments! Lisa, that’s happened to me recently too. It’s a different kind of sting – but it’s definitely a sting!

  12. Casey Hirsch says:

    Robin, I followed my mouse and it led me here. Timely, too, since I’ve just had my novel rejected and the sting was mitigated by the concept of subjectivity. True, I’ve got some decisions to make in this next rewrite, but I’m game. Your thoughts here have brightened the light on the notion that not everyone has to, or will, like what I produce and this is acceptable. (Of course, it’ll be more so if the darn thing finds a home.) Because I teach Tuesday nights, I won’t make your first reading, but I hope to come to the next. I’m thrilled for you and your success!

  13. robin says:

    Thanks so much, Casey. And take heart – there are endless true stories about works of fiction bouncing around for quite a while – and then finding a happy home. My friend Shannon Cain won an O. Henry a couple of years back with a story that had been rejected 27 times I believe. (I can share that because she included it in her little note at the back of the book.) It may take a while, but that only means it’s taking a while! Of course that doesn’t make it easy, but maybe it can help make it easier. Best of luck and hope to see you soon!

  14. Casey Hirsch says:

    Thanks for that, Robin. I’ll keep it in mind. As a teacher and writer, as the mother of a couple of budding writers, it’s heartening to know that trusting your own instincts can pay off (just hard to remember sometimes, especially after so many years in workshops…they can be terrifically nurturing and they can mess with your convictions.) I tell my students and my kids, but I hardly follow my own mantra. Figures. Hope to see you soon, too, and, I need to add that I read three of the stories in your collection after we last bumped into each other. I was absolutely GRABBED.

  15. Kate Small says:

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I cannot say it enough. It’s so helpful to first be aware, and then to repeatedly remember, how powerful taste is, and how it shapes the process of how others read our work. I’ve printed the post out, and attached it to the wall by my desk. It’s so timely for me! Again, thank you!

  16. robin says:

    I’m so glad it’s helpful!! Thanks for letting me know!

  17. Robin, this was the best “writing advice” I’ve ever read. As I read, I could hear all the little pieces clicking in place in my often discouraged writer’s brain. Thank you.

  18. Erika Robuck says:

    This post was like a revelation to me! I was just discussing how much I loathe Faulkner with a lit professor friend of mine, and it almost broke her heart. This post puts that, and my own rejections in real perspective. Thank you!

  19. Robert says:

    From one Faulkner-and-Woolf-loving member of the minority to another: well said.

  20. Darrelyn Saloom says:

    “Writing is not a fixed currency” is now taped to my computer. :)

  21. Sharon says:

    I heard you on ABC radio Book show. You read out a story from your new book. It was such a RELIEF to hear this story! You wrote about how I feel. So now I feel freer and it is nothing personal feeling dread, a common way for older people to feel. It made me feel so much better. Your writing is so original. I love it.
    Amazing!

  22. Hi Robin, a very enjoyable and well-thought out post. Hoping to meet you at the FOC fest in Cork.
    Best
    Nuala

  23. robin says:

    Thanks, all! I have gotten horribly behind on this blog -both posting and responding. Nuala, I can’t believe how soon the Festival is I look forward to meeting you!

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